Few things are more fun for me than chatting with Carol Roth. She’s one of the smartest women I know and a true media pro – so I definitely have to bring my A game.

Also, Carol always keeps it real, which is so refreshing in a world full of filters.

You know what I mean…

We talked about career transition tactics, including going in the side door. I shared several case studies of how my clients have found ideal jobs in surprising ways.

We talked about what makes people uncoachable, and why caring more than your clients do is the worst thing ever for consultants (and why Carol doesn’t do advisory work anymore).

And I did my rant about why ageism often isn’t.

You can listen to “Relaunching Yourself and Your Career” here – or wherever you listen to podcasts.